A Pennsauken woman has filed suit in Camden County Superior Court against her orthopedic surgeon, who - after performing successful surgery on her herniated disc - left a washable tattoo on her belly, below the panty line, while she was still under anesthesia at Virtua Memorial Hospital in Burlington County. The patient and her husband say they discovered the red rose the next morning while he was helping her dress to leave the hospital. Dr. Steven Kirshner apparently has left washable marks on previous patients as a way of lifting their spirits. Perhaps so, but in this case, it appears that "Dr. Creepy" had to lift more than just his patient's spirits in order to apply the tattoo!
Of course, the overwhelming majority of orthopaedic surgeons are competent and caring physicians who I am sure are also concerned about their patients' spirits following surgery. In "Dr. Creepy's" case however, one wonders whether he exhibited similar concern for his male patients and why he could not find another more appropriate way to lift his patients' spirits -- perhaps by simply telling them that the surgery was succesful.
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Was that post necessary you have no clue as to the facts or relationship and the name dr creepy implies something you may be totally off base with...
He is a terrific surgeon whomade a poor judgement call. Dr. Creepy is a bit harsh..considering the facts.
Peter:I always enjoy your responses... however, I can't believe you or anyone else would dfend or condone this behavior... applying a tattoo below panty line after serious back surgery? Is he kidding. Think the patient's consent to surgery covered that incident? If not, it's a battery. Think he provides the same "spirit lifting" tattoos to his male patients? What's this guy thinking? From patient's point of view, is that not creepy?Don
Audrey:I'm not sure the name doesn't fit. Look at it from the patient's point of view.. a tattoo below her panty line? After what appears to have been serious surgery? What gives with this guy?Don
I can't tell you how much I enjoy the repartee...Well you may be correct about the good doctor I just think it was a stupid stunt that is way overblown. If it was permanent ink with an arrow pointing down I might agree with you. I doubt the others in the OR allowed him to look below the Mason Dixon line.Anyway I was with your compatriot Drew this morning, stay well. Give me some more good stuff to critique!
Hey, do you know all the facts? Do you know where the surgical incision was made? I have had (2) back surgeries by your so called "Dr Creepy". Both my surgeries for herniated discs were made at my "bikini Line" and my pubic area shaved. Everyone assumes because she had back surgery, that the incision was made in her back. I have been a patient of his for over 5 years and couldn't ask for a more caring Dr. I am tired of this society always wanting to sue, and you wonder why Drs. lose there "bedside manner".You can't be nice to anyone anymore, cause you may be sued. Just ask an attorney. They will find something if the person dosent' like the comment. If you have had anytime in the OR, you know they are the last to get there and the first to leave. I stand behind the good Dr. 100%. More people need roses instead of the thorns up their butt.
Cindy:Sounds like you're doing well after your surgeries, which is nice to hear. Having had surgery you certainly understand that whether an incision is made at bikini line or in back, the patient is draped with only the surgical site exposed. So happens that this patient's incision was in her back. In either event, however, the doctor should not go beyond the exposed surgical site for non-medical reasons. You know, they don't check their libido at the door of the surgical suite. Some thoughts...where were the tattoos kept? Were they sterile? Did applying tattoo increase risk of infection? Did repositioning patient in order to apply tattoo present enhanced risk to patient? Do you think the doctor applied rose tattoos (or any tattoos) to male patients? I'm not questioning the doctor's overall competency. He may be a good surgeon; he may not. In this case however, he committed an unwanted battery upon his patient, which clearly is wrong and indefensible.In any event, I do believe the civil justice system is fair and that the final determination concerning the doctor's conduct will be made by a jury.
Peter:Do you really need an arrow pointing south of the Mason Dixon line to conclude that this behavior was inappropriate? Wanna bet dinner at a restaurant of your choice that male patients didn't get a little tattoo of popeye flexing his biceps in their pubic area!
Cindy, the reports made clear that hers was a posterior incision and there was no medical reason to be in the area of the patients panti area. The point of the case that you are missing is that he had to rub and expose her private area to apply this tatoo - he also placed her in a position where she had no idea how this tatoo got there and for a significant period of time, the police and hospital were investigating reasonable concerns that she had been sexually accosted in her room while sedated. No woman should have to spend even one moment wondering if she had been raped, or touched or if she had a STD or if pictures of her with the tatoo were going to show up on the internet. How could this doctor possibly think that putting this rose tattoo (and his choice of a red rose is not just coincidence) on this area of her body could possibly "cheer her up"?? The only person he was thinking of was himself and if you think otherwise, you are terribly naive. Finally, all the hospital staff was interviewed and no one saw him put the tatoo on her. Why did he have to wait until he was alone if this was such an innocent act?
Don the post on communication no where near as interesting as Dr Creepy...I won't make that bet but I will bet when this matter (Dr Creepy) is concluded it will be alot to do about nothing.Il Molina in the city when you treat!
I totally understand this woman's point of view. I recently had bladder surgery and was shocked to find the next morning that they had shaved my entire pubic area. The nurse did a great job, I will give her that, but it was a shock none the less. To have back surgery and wake up with an alteration, though temporary, to your front would definately be bothersome. I believe the doctor was just trying to be "cute", and in all actuality, he meant nothing by it, but it was still an innapropriate action. Hopefully he learned a lesson in this one, and will change his trademark to a smiley face sticker on the back of his patients' hands.
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